While reading Snow Crash I came across a line stating that so many intellectuals hold to atheism because atheism is considered as an intelligectual philosophy. It made me think. For a period of my life I considered myself an agnostic, which is cousin to an atheist. When I read the Stephenson quote, I wondered how much of my agnosticism was due to my skeptical nature and how much of it was due to the distinction of being agnostic.
Honestly, I always liked it when I told people I was agnostic and would have to follow it up with an explanation of what the word means... It made me feel smart. More than that, the whole point of being an agnostic is that you're saying to the world, "I'm too smart to believe in God...and yet I'll also admit the possibility that I could be wrong (i.e. unlike atheists)." So you end up with this superiority complex because you feel smarter than everyone else in the world and yet you're still intellectually humble. You don't have to feel condescending for your stance on religion.
I suppose I still feel that way. I met a neighbor the other day who's an atheist and, of course, I immediately started talking about my own experiences. Why? Because I thought it might create some sort of trust between us, sure, but also because deep down, a part of me still thinks the word "agnostic" is equivalent to "smart" even though I'm an avowed Mormon.
What's my freaking problem?!
In my view, the most moral person is the person whose actions are good and are uninfluenced by any outside source. I know that sounds wrong. I can and do allow God, philosophy, my wife, my family and friends to influence my morals, but once I have internalized this morality, I should follow it without any regard to who may or may not be around me -- who may or may not find out.
I used to do a better job of not caring what other people thought. I remember when I decided to quit swearing in high school. I had been reading the Tao Te Ching and decided that I should never justify my weaknesses. I stopped swearing the next day and Dave, Dan's brother, mocked me for it. I remember feeling secure in my decision and unwavering, despite the fact that he was my friend.
In regards to my conversation with my neighbor: I'm not saying that I can't or shouldn't share aspects of my past with other people. Who I was before certainly has bearing on who I am now. But if I truly open up the door of my past a crack and let someone see in, it should be for the right reasons. What I told him was not really a desire to let him know who I am...it was a desire to laud myself and create a quick and dirty connection with him on a superficial level. I was whoring myself.
I need to let a lot of crap go. I need to rid myself of false pretension. I need to feel secure enough with who I am that I don't need to impress people with cheap parlor tricks.
Anyway...let's see how I do.
7 years ago
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I would argue your statement that agnosticism is cousin to atheism, and would counter by saying that it is atheism and faith in a deity (not necessarily theism) that are cousins and agnosticism is the odd ball out.
See, atheism and theism (used for brevity here, even though semantically it is not correct) require the same thing: faith that what you believe/disbelieve is correct, while agnosticism simply states that knowledge of the existence of a god-like being is not possible -- it does not deny the existence of such a being. It is not disbelief, it is unbelief.
I have met angostics of all varieties -- Christian agnostics, atheist agnostics, and I myself am a pantheist agnostic. The different flavors, if you will, have their own ideas about what might be correct but at the same time acknowledge that they have no way of confirming their suspicions. The agnostic's manifesto could read "I am an agnostic. I believe that there are insufficient grounds for either belief or disbelief in any ultimate reality. I do not deny the existence of God, but I deny the possibility of knowledge of God."
But on a different note, I can see how you could see agnosticism as making you seem smart -- for so many, the idea of faith is rife with logical inconsistencies. Many of these people are able to use their faith to resolve these inconsistencies, but which group of these is the "smartest?" I've known amazingly brilliant and wonderful people of every persuasion, so you certainly can't form ideas on their intelligence based simply on "I'm too smart to believe in God...and yet I'll also admit the possibility that I could be wrong."
I'm still agnostic, and can't seem to work myself out of that perspective I have my theories about the universe and consciousness (which we've discussed in long emails), but I'm stuck for now.
I can see what you mean about wanting to feel smart, and its good that your acknowledging the tendancy and becoming more self aware. I remember when I was at a girls camp, way back when I was 12 years old. We were at the closing fast and testimony meeting, and all the girls were crying, seemingly carried away by their feelings of spirituality. i remember trying to make myself cry so that i could fit in....an agnostic trying to fit in with the religious folks...
Good comments, both. I'd be interested to see what you (Shasta) mean by "feeling stuck for now"--that sounds promising.
When you mentioned becoming "self-aware" alarms started going off in the back of my head...it reminded me of a tenuous thought I had a few days ago...like I was on the edge of a breakthrough. If I remember I'll post about it.
Stacey, good point about agnostics being the oddballs. I suppose the reason I lump atheists/agnostics together is because I wasn't aware of "Christian agnostics" (pantheistic agnostic? I'll have to ask you about that)...so my category was actually an anti-category: i.e. We do not believe that God exists...and the subcategories being our reasons for not believing.
But I suppose you're right. However, it also seems silly to split agnosticism up that way. Maybe I just don't know enough about the different "sects" of agnosticism, but the first thought that comes to my mind is: Christian agnostics don't believe God can be known and yet they must have SOME form of evidence (or believe that such exists) or else they wouldn't have a reason to call themselves Christians. Why not just lump them as skeptical or disillusioned Christians?
I'm aware that much of this is just border disputes and semantics...but I'd also maintain that there is an ontological core to this debate (I think I used that term correctly)...
Finally, I'll just say this: the religious form of feeling "in the know" usually takes the form of moral condescension, while agnosticism/atheism takes the form of intellectual condescension. Of the two, I'm more bothered by intellectual condscension. Moral condescension, at least, places the "righteousness" in a higher plane...while intellectual condescension internalizes it.
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